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John Thrale

John Thrale

Male 1650 - 1704  (54 years)


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  • Name John Thrale 
    Birth 1650 
    Occupation 1684  Barbados Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Farm manager. One of many chancery proceedings tells of his early career in that when thirty four years old he had declared that he had been manager of a farm in Barbados and during the term of his employment he had sold to Jonothan Woodhouse goods belonging to the farm to the value of £11586 in the name of the owners John Strode and Patrick Trant. At the time of this deposition in 1684 John was living at St. Giles, Cripplegate, calling himself a merchant. 
    Christening 1686 
    Gender Male 
    Property Ilford, Essex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Residence 1686  Saint Nicholas Cole Abbey, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Occupation 1693  London, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Distaff Lane 
    Address:
    http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=1613 
    Occupation 27 Mar 1696  [1
    Appearing in the Livery as Citizen and Brewer in 1696, he was the same year a signatory of the Association Oath Roll, endorsed "The Company of Brewers; Association Entered into the 27th of March 1696". The oath illustrates the political situation of the time for it reads, "Whereas there has been a horrid and destestable conspiracy formed and carried on by Papists and other wicked and Traitorous persons for Assassinateing his Majesties Royal Person in order to Encourage an Invasion from France to subvert our Religion Laws and Libertie Wee whose names are hereunto Subscribed doe heartily sincerely and solemnly profess testifie and declare That his present Majestie King William is rightfull and lawful king of these realms And Wee do mutually promise and engage to stand by and Assist each other to the utmost of our Power in the Suport and defence of his Majesties most Sacred Person and Goverm't against the late king James and all his adherents And in case his Maj'tie come to any Violent or untimely death (which God forbid) Wee do hereby further freely and Unanimously oblidge ourselves to unite Associate and stand by each other, in Revengeing the same upon his Enemies and their adherents and in supporting and deffending the Succession of the Crown according to an Act made in the first year of the Reign of king William and Queen Mary Intituled An Act Declaring the Rights and Liberties of the Subjects and settling the succession of the crown. 
    Agency: The Company of Brewers; Association 
    Property 1670-1704  Fairfolds farm, Sandridge, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Death 15 May 1704  St Albans, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Will 1 Jun 1704  [3
    John's will is curious in that no mention is made of Thrale kin except his daughters. No knowledge can therefore be gleaned of the destinies of his brother Thomas, or sisters. He asked to be buried at St Albans Abbey. He bequeathed funds for the benefit of the Abbey, St Peter's and St Michael's, all of St Albans, the funds to be supervised by Mayor and Aldermen of St Albans. His numerous London friends are mentioned, silver spurs being a favourite legacy. Gilbert Parker was to benefit but his name was erased owing supposedly to the acrimony a few years earlier. His cousin was William Marston and friend John Gape, no doubt both of the families in St Michael's, St Albans. A most complicated sharing was devised between his wife and three daughters, which included his property at Ilford. A commission in 1708 was granted to Elizabeth Waldron, wife of Christopher Waldron, apothecary, Margaret Hyde, wife of William Hyde, and Sarah Huntman, wife of Robert Huntman.

    In his will (Will proved P.C.C. 1 June 1704) he left the farm; to his wife and thence to the issue of his daughters Margaret and Sarah and failing; such issue to the Rector of the Abbey Church and other Trustees in trust for the rents of the farm to be spent on the repair of the Abbey. Fairfolds, however, was to remain the possession of the descendants of John Thrale until sold to their kinsman, Thomas Thrale, in 1765. 
    Burial Sumpter Yard, St Albans, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
    John Thrale's mourning tablet, 1704.
    Thrale coat of arms on John Thrale's monument at St Albans Cathedral
    Notes 
    • Much of John's business was connected with overseas trade and the sea however. As a deponent in 1687 he recalls that the Earl of Monmouth, Dalby Thomas and Edmund Evans, and Nevile Pain, raised between six and seven thousand pounds to fit out a ship and search for a wreck in the West Indies. A few years earlier he had to give evidence concerning stores supplied by certain victuallers to H.M. Navy at Portsmouth.

      In 1684 a purser of N.H. Ship "The Montague", one Thomas Baynham of Luton stated that he received money from John Thrale, a person belonging to the victuallers of the Navy. A bill of £94 was repudiated by Thrale.(37) A year later John complained that he had invested £50 in the forthcoming voyage to the East Indies in a ship "The Constantinople Merchant" being prepared by John Smith and had received no return.(38) Another dispute over business transactions occurred in 1697 with Dalby Thomas of London, which included various matters ranging from tickets for the Million Lottery, shares in Hampstead Waterworks, and postages from Barbados.(39) Three years later, John was sued by Thomas Robinson of London, mariner and commander of the ship "Fosdyke Yatch" when England was at war with France, and which carried a cargo of £10,000 in value. John was appointed to adjust the accounts' of the loading, but the results of his work were disputed. Attached to these records was a schedule headed "laden on board the ship called "The Prince William of Denmarke," and the merchants' marks of vintners against each barrel of wine were listed. (40)

      Of rather different interest is an action of 1678.(41) Apparently, three years earlier John had deposited pictures with Mr. Thomas Coulthurst, a "picture drawer", for safe keeping in the house owned by Joseph Lavington in Blowbladder Street, London. Coulthurst had died, and Lavington would not give up the pictures because Coulthurst had been in debt to him, and John naturally claimed them, most of which had been purchased by John from Coulthurst. Amongst the pictures were portraits of Cleopatra, Berenice, Portia, Lucretia, 'with a rich gilt frame, Leada, Narcissus, being six pieces painted by Mons Phillips, an excellent artist. There was also a fruit piece by the hand of Guillman, a little piece of drollery by an excellent hand.

      The Virgin Mary and the Shepherds by the like hand, one landskipp, one old head of Anthony Moores, one head with a ruffe, a piece with an ebony frame, were also included. It was indeed quite a picture gallery. Rather suspicious conduct was displayed by John when acting as executor to the will, of Samuel Parker, former Bishop of Oxford. He was sued by the Bishop's son Gilbert who complained that he became acquainted with John who professed great friendship. John then made insinuations about the virtue of Gilbert's wife and persuaded him to go to Utrecht, leaving his wife as a boarder with John. Further, John refused to render any account of the Bishop'a estate. John's motives would appear to be rather obvious, but as further answers and replications written in great detail on eight large membranes of parchment are badly stained and illegible, the final outcome cannot be reported.
    Person ID I304  UK Thrale family
    Last Modified 8 Dec 2015 

    Father Richard Thrale,   b. 1625   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Mother Martha Aylward   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Marriage 5 Oct 1646  Saint Peters, St Albans, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [5
    Family ID F155  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Margaret Chaplin,   b. Abt 1651, St Albans, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. 31 Aug 1708, St Albans, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location (Age ~ 57 years) 
    Marriage 1673 
    Children 
     1. Elizabeth Thrale   d. Aft 1704
     2. John Thrale   d. Bef 1704
     3. Richard Thrale,   b. Bef 1 Jul 1678, London, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Bef 1704 (Age ~ 25 years)
     4. Margaret Thrale,   b. 1679, London, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Aft 1704 (Age 26 years)
     5. Charles Thrale,   b. Bef 13 Apr 1682   d. Bef 1704 (Age ~ 21 years)
     6. Sarah Thrale,   b. Abt 1683, London, England Find all individuals with events at this locationd. Aft 18 Oct 1705 (Age ~ 22 years)
     7. Abby Rebecca Thrale,   c. 1686   d. 1687 (Age ~ 1 years)
    Family ID F159  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
    Last Modified 13 Feb 2004 

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsOccupation - Farm manager. One of many chancery proceedings tells of his early career in that when thirty four years old he had declared that he had been manager of a farm in Barbados and during the term of his employment he had sold to Jonothan Woodhouse goods belonging to the farm to the value of £11586 in the name of the owners John Strode and Patrick Trant. At the time of this deposition in 1684 John was living at St. Giles, Cripplegate, calling himself a merchant. - 1684 - Barbados Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsProperty - - Ilford, Essex, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsResidence - 1686 - Saint Nicholas Cole Abbey, Middlesex, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsOccupation - Distaff Lane,Address:
    http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=1613 - 1693 - London, England
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    Link to Google MapsProperty - 1670-1704 - Fairfolds farm, Sandridge, Hertfordshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDeath - 15 May 1704 - St Albans, Hertfordshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBurial - - Sumpter Yard, St Albans, Hertfordshire, England Link to Google Earth
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  • Histories
    The Hertfordshire Descent of Henry Thrale
    The Hertfordshire Descent of Henry Thrale
    J.H. Busby.Notes and Queries, p.495-498. 13 November 1948.

  • Sources 
    1. [S2] Richard William Thrale, A New Thraliana, ((St. Albans, Hertfordshire, England, Falconer Press, 1973)), 30 (Reliability: 3).

    2. [S2] Richard William Thrale, A New Thraliana, ((St. Albans, Hertfordshire, England, Falconer Press, 1973)), 32 (Reliability: 3).

    3. [S2] Richard William Thrale, A New Thraliana, ((St. Albans, Hertfordshire, England, Falconer Press, 1973)), 32-33 (Reliability: 3).

    4. [S22] Web, http://www.thrale.com/image/st_albans_cathedral_1704_monument_john_thrale (Reliability: 3).

    5. [S21] International Genealogical Index, (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp).